Clive gets a Clue about ..

"The Juice" and why 1967 is being celebrated

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The Man in the Moon came down too soon
.. and asked about his dinner.
The scorpion replied, "I've eaten it Clive,
...you'll have to get used to being thinner."

Fig.1. The circumglobal mountain belt widening hugely towards the Pacific. [Who can spot the crabby, cock-eyed crazy, coming out of its shell?]

 Text and subtext.     There is something both biblically and inescapably pythonesque about a 'majority-of-one', (namely me and a mere handful of others) confronting a monolithic consensus of believers in Plate Tectonics in some sort of 'David-and-Goliath' struggle. It's a contest of geo-logic based on direct observation of the crust versus a hypothesis of geophysics based really on what amounts to denial of its own evidence, namely the architecture of the ocean floors based on earthquakes and magnetism.  However the outcome is assured : death by a thousand cuts, .. or in this case, by a thousand slingshots.

Sitting in the front row and all agog to witness this pitiful contest (and I hope there's more than one) are your good selves. Behind the action are the cheer squads. Goliath's corner is absolutely chockers with all the professional Earth scientists, an informed public (incl. teachers, teachers' pets, students and schoolchildren) and a media responsible for science communication, .. all convinced of scepticism as a modus operandi [I did check for "operandum" but found I was revealing my ignorance of the genitive case (latin)] for rejecting "seeing-is-believing' cognitive norms of common sense and geo-logic. In the other corner, unwashed and unabashed, is a rent-a-clash mob who are just full of boos whenever the case-positive for common sense is advanced, whatever end of the ring they judge guilty of transgression.

The contest is over the fact of the wysiwyg "what-you-see-is-what-you-get" :-: the 'seeing is believing' trap - and the even bigger trap you get into when trying to work your way around it. In other words the particular fact that the Earth's surface is constituted of 1/3rd continental crust and 2/3rds oceanic crust, and that the 'wysiwygglie' (that the mantle has broken through the crust making its outer shell, i.e., its surface area) (and therefore by default its volume too) (and by further implication its mass as well), bigger (/greater), leads to the conclusion [tantamount-to-factual-observation, i.e., not a hypothesis) that the Earth's surface was once constituted entirely of a continental landmass that was the sum of those continental fragments we see today, ..  and therefore that it was once smaller by those oceanic extents.

Even more pythonesque is the vegemite and lemon juice that Goliath and his cohorts have smeared themselves with, and, thus suitably decorated, they are declaring themselves to be (and paraphrasing only slightly to give vernacular clarity). "Outsiders without a geological clue", .. and "not needing one".  [Not to mention the spinach between the teeth.]

 Here's the libretto for this pantomime :- 

".. Carey had long since bluntly told the structural geologists that they were working on second order features. Structural geologist did not take this kindly. Many of them were among the most famous of geologists and they had climbed the great mountain ranges of the world and discovered fantastic over-thrusting with offsets by stunning amounts.< .... > These were the geologists who legitimately speculated on the origin and history of the largest-scale features. These were the ones who were studying the deformation of materials in laboratories in order to apply scientific rigor to the interpretations of field observations. Now, outsiders with no credentials in structural problems were having the effrontery to say that their work had little bearing on the gross deformation of the earth. They didn't like it. However the people who would develop plate tectonics in the next few years, would not be structural geologists nor need to become such. " H.W. Menard (1986), The Ocean of Truth, P.232. 

And here's the cheerleaders in the Royal Box :- 

"The development of plate-tectonic theory certainly warrants a Nobel Prize," said Dr. Marcia McNutt, president-elect of the American Geophysical Union. "There is no doubt that it ranks as one of the top ten scientific accomplishments of the second half of the 20th Century." [Link, and scroll down to last para.]

... a claim that was unfortunately rejected.  "Unfortunately", because had it been accepted it would have given definitive weight to the point of these essays, which is that virtually whichever way we turn people behave as if they are are nuts, labouring under an illusion of confidence that would put them on a par (at least) with ... 

(drumroll and fanfare) ...
" The Lemon-Juice Bank Robber ". [or Audio]

So there we have it, .. David, Goliath, and the Bankrobber(s).  Could there be anything more expressively pythonesque of the dans macabre being executed along the journey to wherever it is we think we are going?  Fortunately (being always a bit behind the eight-ball when it comes to societal trends)(America being the undisputed exemplar and right at the front of the pack), we are excused this particular spectacle, so the proxy contest continues.

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 Earth expansion or Plate Tectonics,... it doesn't really matter. In a reversal reflecting the destabilisation that an enterprise such as this can have on you (i.e., me) the geological arguments have become the subtext to these pages. They are not important except insofar as they do illustrate gratuitous contention:  they can be dealt with in about ten bullet points ('slingshots' repeat link)   (that is, if it is necessary to go beyond the first commonsense one mentioned above (about the 1/3rd - 2/3rds).  What is *really* on display is a superlative example of sheer incompetence, gullibility, and overweening hubris - understandable for a 'majority of one', but positively epic for t'others.

So is it mine (and the aforementioned 'handful') for attempting this expose? .. or that of everyone else's, ..namely the acme /acne of academic achievement and all others who have been content to be led up the garden path like children by a pied piper, .. and by implication that there is more than a kernel of madness implicit in the workings of the 'logical' brain.

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Thematics :- (Dead parrots in the marketplace) (and why we laugh at them).  

The text is therefore the weight of silliness and shame that accompanies this contest - and by extrapolation much of societal affairs, manifest as I edit this (immediately post-Helsinki), by the precipitous descent into lunacy and mayhem exemplified by the Trump phenomenon) (but equally, as often as not, by the 'stories' that have come to replace what once was known as "news" ).  The subtext is the offering of Earth expansion over Plate Tectonics as a template for illustrating this 'parallel evolution'. 

 Even without a single fact in the hand, just the imbalance of numbers is good reason enough for asserting any substantially minority view to be trivially irrelevant and therefore justifiably ignored, .. an easy target for the "j'accuse" of any majority who would be threatened by a charge of incompetence and egg-on-face.  On the other hand I quite happily wear that egg if it encourages readers to be more critical of the tripe we get served up, both scientific and societal, the dictates of which somehow come to be promoted as acceptable norms but are actually cancerous outgrowths from it.

 Whether in science or anywhere else logic doesn't balance well against consensus majority, no matter what is said about it being the facts that count. Facts didn't matter to the seminal achievers of  the Big Ship who took beaming pride in being "outsiders" who regarded their geophysical achievements as unquestionably surpassing the banality of boots on the ground.  

Going by his choice of syntax in the above quote Menard is enjoying a moment of shadenfreude, saying not only that the facts of the Earth's surface geology don't count, but that they are trumped anyway by the assumption of convection,  in which oceanic crust is everywhere moving sideways on the backs of convection cells in the mantle.  Five to ten centimetres of basaltic material are being intruded every year into a fracture in oceanic crust at one end of the Earth in response to its descent into the mantle at the other end - with absolutely no expression of deformation in between, despite it having been fractured to Kingdom Come and its effective strength (geologically speaking) being a heap of rubble - and despite the continental crust (the target of this laid-back behaviour of ocean floors) having been battered to buggery all its life as a result of "collisions", .. and showing the abundant scars of it while the rubble of the ocean floors curiously show none,  except for what has occurred half a world away at the relatively passive end of this 'behaviour' at so-called 'spreading ridges', where deformation is said to have preceded the growth of the entire oceanic crust.

The problem so far as the facts (and not theory) are concerned is that those scars are nothing like what results from either extensional or compressional deformation such as are invoked for "slab-pull" (at the subducting end) or "ridge-push" (at the 'spreading' end - if everything geologists have learned in centuries about deformation of the crust is to hold.  The reason there is a problem is that geologists have forgotten their history and the debate around whether compression and extension are horizontally paired ("in the plane of the Earth's crust") or vertically related to gravitational collapse.  They have not realised, still, (or perhaps conveniently choose not to acknowledge) that the traditional conflation of folding with "mountain building" is wrong.  Properly integrated with the recent creation of the ocean floors and the reconfiguring of Earth's surface curvature to accommodate this, the fact of folds and mountains are logical proof of an Earth that is getting bigger. 

It is truly remarkable (/astonishing) that virtually *nobody* on the consensus side of the fence will venture into an area that the geological facts are telling us is the only geo-logical  interpretation of the Earth's surficial evolution.  A more graphic example of the workings and the power of consensus group-think would be very difficult to find, particularly since scientists are (supposedly) our truth-tellers. [Check.]

Unless of course, it is the domain of religion and the assorted houses managing this menagerie.
 
Menard continues :-

["The Principle innovation was the introduction of the concept of the ridge-ridge transform fault and its implications. It was exactly the same concept that Alan Goode had generated when he also analyzed the motion of a spreading ridge with an offset (Fig.9I). The simple fact is that no one had ever published anything about two sections of ridge connected by a fracture zone before. I doubt that anyone had done any serious thinking about the subject.] Those of us who thought in terms of convection, an overwhelming majority, visualised a vast overturn of the mantle and flow rising and spreading under ridge crests, or spreading as ridge crests in the sea-floor spreading model. It was hard to conceive of a flow pattern with giant convection cells rising under each section of ridge offset by a fracture zone. Perhaps that is why Hess could not believe that fracture zones were related to ridges. In my endless sketches of cross sections of ridges, I always thought of them as straight."(p.245)

[Not sure what he means by that last sentence. Straightness is a direct, self-evident fact of ridge segments, but if you are a believer in convection you might well have a problem with their relationship to transform faults ("dominoes" again).  On the other hand Hess's noted view is intriguing because the view here is that they are and they aren't (related), which is another way of acknowledging relationship while excluding any causality such as convection would imply.] 

And again :-

".. The discussion was brief, but it offered Vine [of the Vine-Mathews hypothesis] the occasion to refer to convection cells as "presumed" and "mythical." Certainly, the many problems related to convection that had been troubling the conference members would have been solved by eliminating convection entirely."   (Ibid. p.276.)

.. from which we can see a degree of caution tempering Goliathan hubris which got him wrong footed and which has since been purposely ignored leading to the outlandish, suggested imposition on Mr Nobel's goodwill.  Hence the need for this challenge (and some slingshots).  

Geologists at the time (but somehow not since) of course objected to this charge of 'ignorance' by geophysicist outsiders.  Menard again, recounting a meeting in which Sir Edward ('Teddy') Bullard (of "The Bullard Fit" for the reconstruction of the Atlantic) was lecturing and "preparing to be an active convert to continental drift") :-

"Professor W.D. Gill "regretted the lecturer's [Bullard's] assertion that geophysical theories like continental drift were not obliged to consider the facts of structural geology." Taking the disagreements of geophysicists into account, geologists might well pin their faith on such facts instead of the meaningless concept of drift of "ludicrous" palaeogeographic reconstructions based on palaeomagnetism.  It was remarkable that drift had to be linked to convection, which was no more than an "attractive speculation."  "The lecturer in reply" [Bullard] gracefully backed down on his remarks on structural geology.  p.229 => 

[There is good reason Bullard backed down.  In another (auto?)biographical account he also refused to endorse Plate Tectonics when it came to a casting crunch.  Note to find ref.]

Although Menard appears to be taking a tilt against structural geologists in general, his target was actually Carey (cit. above) who by the time B.S. Plate Tectonics began to appear on the horizon (1960) had been forcefully arguing the case for Earth expansion for years before the evidence from oceanic research became available to support his case. Where Menard's argument was centred in the oceans and essentially ignores the continents, Carey's arguments comprehensively incorporated both and features of the Earth's rotation as well, that Plate Tectonics simply ignored (and still does), happily referring instead to "pots of soup on stoves as analogues for convection. (=> images)

Menard died from cancer in 1986, the same year as his book Ocean of Truth was published.  Cancer is a disease that usually gives some time for putting affairs in order, so in view of his untimely death the inclusion of the word 'truth' in the title of his book reads rather oddly.  It isn't a word that comes easily to scientists at the best of times so to see it used like an exclamation mark in the title of a book documenting a seminal achievement "worthy of a Nobel Prize" is arresting, given that the dynamic it is laying claim to is very much hypothetical and could be much improved by ignoring it altogether.  Either Menard is staking an unambiguous claim on behalf of the convectioneers crewing the Big Ship, or by overstatement ("truth" - almost a taboo word in science) is intentionally hinting at competence overreach by the said outsiders [in which he was prepared to include himself], thereby allowing a subtext of sorts to be read between the lines of his narrative, and was couching this with due deference to the sensitivities of others then mostly still living. To my reading there is very much an ambiguity in parts of his narrative that does not entirely mesh with the declarative certainty expected of a claim of 'Truth' made on behalf of Plate Tectonics.  

By letting the players speak for themselves at critical points in the story he appears (without in any way lending direct support to expansion), to be nevertheless ambiguous enough about the matter to let the reader see the depth and motive of argument (not always favourable to Plate Tectonics or its proponents),  while at the same time as if to compensate for this revealed 'depth' he seems to feel it necessary to put the word 'truth' in the title. It is not always clear which side of the debate he intends that word to favour.  Which could have been his intention.

So I read Menard's use of the word "truth" as playing a dual role, on one hand signifying a partisan statement for the ostensible record in order to cover revealed weaknesses in Plate Tectonics, and on the other (by a kind of titular exaggeration) to imply that the story might not be all it claims to be.  Inserting such a word into the title does make me wonder if he might be indulging in some 'dogwhistling' towards others still living (but who soon might not be), ... giving a clue, .. lighting a fuse with posthumous intent.

Reason?  Because this drive towards establishing convection as a mechanism for geodynamics was not "dispassionate science revealed", but a deliberate determination to sink Earth expansion, for which at the time there were indeed sympathetic views, and there was much, even as Plate Tectonic theory was being developed, that didn't gel with this (P.T.) theory - but did fit with Earth expansion.   Perhaps in the ten years of writing his book and with death looming, Menard was coming to see the force of Carey's argument more clearly, and was coding his narrative accordingly (with a little hint in the title).

The Admirable H.H.Hess (1962):-

"..While this [expansion] would remove three of my most serious difficulties in dealing with the evolution of ocean basins, I hesitate to accept this easy way out. First of all, it is philosophically rather unsatisfying in much the same way as were the older hypotheses of continental drift, in that there is no apparent mechanism within the Earth to cause a sudden (and exponential according to Carey) increase in the radius of the Earth. .."  [..This,  despite mutinous murmurings from his own crew about "mythical convection" without which "The New Global Tectonics" would be much improved.] ["Easy"?  So it is, .. which reflects the extent of the deliberations needed to reject it. [d.f.]

[The second reason was about the extra water needed - see Hollywood Cowboys post]

Helped by the Editorial Board of American Scientist (who "continue the occasional publication of essay-reviews that treat topics at greater length than our space limitations ordinarily allow") R.L. Armstrong, reviewer of Carey's second book, Theories of the Earth and Universe, 1988,  offered  up a 'good cop - bad cop' sledge :-

"This is not a dispassionate scholarly work on the history of a science. It is a personal statement, at times autobiographical, and to a considerable degree self-congratulatory. It captures the essence of the man himself, his strongly felt views, his bold style, his favorite themes and cherished whipping posts, and his evaluation of his own role in the revolution that has taken place in earth science over the past 50 years. < ... >

"S.W. Carey is a brilliant and original thinker. We honor him for his ideas but at the same time see in him the pathology of genius. He has operated at times on the fringe of science, belatedly achieving recognition for his original ideas, eventually slipping out beyond science. He was fortunate to have played a major role in one scientific revolution. Contributing to two revolutions in one lifetime may be too much to expect." (Amer. Sci., Volume 77, 382-384.) Full text available here [link]

Consensus majority has advantage just by sheer weight of numbers, and disparagement can be used mercilessly. I'm not quite sure what he means though by "the pathology of genius". If I were one I might be able to untangle this ball of threads the cat brought in, .. work out in what sort of order all these 'dominoes' are supposed to go. Anyway, .. I don't think he was a genius at all if all he was doing was arguing for common sense against a cabal trying to screw hypothetical denials out of observed fact.

J.T. Wilson :-

"From 1930 to 1960 a scientist who supported it [continental drift by convection - d.f.] knowingly committed academic hara-kiri.  S. W. Carey of Tasmania, a major figure in igniting the [continental drift /plate tectonic revolution] could not get his papers published in reputable scientific journals in the 1950s. "He had to run them off on a mimeograph machine and distribute them himself," Wilson says. [http://virtualmuseum.seg.org/bio_j__tuzo_wilson.html ]  [By 1956 Carey had rejected convection as "unworkable on a global scale" - d.f.]

Also, "igniting a revolution by committing academic suicide" is a strange way to acknowledge Carey's achievement, when all that is levelled against him is a litany of ad hominems under the cover of grudging credit for being a "major figure", while across the board nothing whatsoever in half a century has been mentioned in the mainstream press of his reasons for doing so, nor for his geological arguments against Plate Tectonics. [This video dated 1982,  was posted in August, 2017 by the Libraries board of Tasmania. d.f.]

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Dunning-Kruger (repeat link) is a red light to anyone who considers "using the juice".  So forget it.  Nail your colours to the mast and take the consequences.  Anyway, change doesn't happen by force of argument regardless of how compelling are the facts or how competent the advocate. The socio-economic 'political milieu' must first be engaged and cultivated (/"massaged")  before an idea will take root, usually by propaganda, or as Menard says, "roadshows") (also), .. when it is then arguable on which side of the divide the volition for change lies - that of the person trying to do the changing, or that of the person being asked to nail themselves to the mast.  Being "before your time" is like being still-born, committing suicide without having lived.

But lather on the juice if it helps.  It worked for Goliath - for a time, .. till his bluff got called. And maybe it will for me too.  All three of Carey's books [1] [2] [3] comprehensively debunking Plate Tectonics have been ignored by the mainstream Earth science community despite not one countervailing argument ever having been presented in a public forum (afaik).


The Challenge.  So, putting it out there.   Let's see which 'knights in white satin' are game to eat spinach, draw Excalibur from the stone, use the juice, and challenge the heresy of Earth expansion on geological grounds.  "No mechanism" [about mass and how it is created] is the only charge thus far.  Is it a valid one?  I don't think so.   However I don't understand anything at all about the world of quantum physics.  I don't even understand light, or electricity, particularly when we go through the alpha point of the atom into the 'peas-in-a-football-park' subatomic space. And from the best of my understanding it would appear I am not alone, despite the many marvellous things we can do with both.  If it wasn't backed by the respectability of the BBC I would read this as a somewhat cynical sledge [8/9 minutes in - or better, listen from the beginning] leading to a conclusion that the whole of the standard model of physics needs discarded and started over.  Not bad for the destination reached by a worldful of physicists, .. drawing a blank like that.. after half a century of building on the achievements of the atomic bomb, .. ..

[Something here about filling out the envelope compared to breaking through it.]

As I've said elsewhere I don't even understand why fluff sticks in my navel, but I get the distinct impression that people are going about physics in ways that are disconcertingly similar to the way they went about Plate Tectonics - by consensus majority.  There's just something about the way consensus works that doesn't gel with the needs of science. .. .. 

 Dunning-Kruger is a sword that cuts according to which edge of it has the deficit of competence, so whoever takes up the challenge had better be prepared for oblivion-by-egg-on-face.

Some see Plate Tectonics as a crown jewel.  I see it as fairy floss.  I think it is a classic case of deliberate, cooked up, serendipitous 'intellectual' misadventure.  In simpler terms a disingenuous con-job of the eleven-fingers sort, backed by institutional power.  If there is any 'brilliance' in it, it is the laser-like warning spotlight flashing on it and other similar examples of how we willingly let ourselves be led up the garden path by con-artists and despots of all sorts - with the purpose of ripping us off of what meager social capital we manage to hold on to, all in the interest of (when it is boiled down) the corruption of what 'money' is supposed to be all about, .. namely the basis of fair exchange, leading to common wealth.


[Trump had still to be elected when I wrote that bit.  But he's only the fall guy.  There are many similar casualties of pathological narcissism - and hubris.

Like me for doing this?  Keep track of the argument and see. ..

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"Want to see a magic trick - how to turn ten fingers into eleven? "
 < holds out both hands, fingers stretched >  :-
 "See, .. ten."
 < then clenches fists and releases fingers one after another and counts >
"Ten, nine, eight, seven, six"...  .. and five's eleven".
"Wow!  That's got Talent.  You're not British by any chance?  "
" .. Want to see it again?"

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... Vegemite, spinach, .. (and lemon juice). ..  .  

[ =>J.O's Obit. =>J.O.'s Eureka =>Slabmen =>Fl Sub. =>61 ]

Space dust is not an option

[Repost from earlier edition. (way back - check date)]


(Expanding on tweet here. )

Earth enlargement by the accumulation of space dust won't work.  It's a tempting idea if we think of the planet accreting from planetisimals and that infall is just a continuation of the same process that got the planet together in the first place, but it fails on simple mass considerations.

If we could roll the entire crust up like a carpet, including the crust of the ocean floors, and shove it down into the mantle, it wouldn't make one whit of difference to the size of the planet.  That is, everything that ever fell, together with all redistributed sediments, as well as carbonate precipitates, volcanic extrusions and intrusions, and granites derived from the Earth's interior (which really shouldn't be counted at all) , ..the whole lot, .. from the Archaean to the present day, it would hardly make any difference.  Even if all of it were cosmic dust it would make no significant difference whatsoever to the size of the Earth.  So there's no way dust accumulation from cosmic infall could have anything to do with the growth of the planet.  Case closed.

Unless...

Unless the base of the crust is being resorbed into the mantle at the same time as stuff is falling on the top.  But that can't be either, or stratigraphic sequence as we know it (right back to the Archean) would not exist.  As things are, we do have continuity of stratigraphic sequence to the Archaean.

Nevertheless there's a certain logic in it that's appealing. Stuff needs to come from somewhere. And it needs to be added.  So, what if we're just looking at the wrong scale?  Could it be that cosmic infall is in the form of elementary atomic particles that are somehow swept up directly into the core of the earth, possibly via the magnetic field ?  The Earth with its iron core rotating in the electromagnetic field of the sun's radiation is like a big electromagnet after all.  And the atom comprises mostly space.  And it is said that the size of particles to the size of the atom is something like the size of peas to a football park, ..or like the size of planets compared to the space between them.  So the Earth is not as solid as it appears.  At that scale there is plenty of space (theoretically) for particles to find their way through the Earth's interior even though to us matter seems impenetrable.

What is the interface that the stuff of matter must cross in order to have mass?  What if once it has crossed it, mass is created out of mass?  In other words, if mass 'grows', by a kind of cell division?  We have seen how mantle material is added at the spreading ridges by cell division, ..So..?

[Added 20170404 :-  See Gene Ellis's view on this who considers TIME could be the active ingredient.  [Other links.]

But even though we might speculate on the process in relation to the mass of the Earth today, it has to begin at the beginning, and if we're going to have a mechanism to make the planet grow, then it has to be at least considered that it could be somehow related to the same process that created the Earth in the first place.  And if for one planet, then for others too.  This means that planet Earth cannot be considered in isolation, but as part of the family that includes the Sun and the Gas Giants.  And we might as well throw in the Moons as well.  It really gets to be quite a can of worms, once we start thinking about it.

Not only that, but it leads us into re-considering the way that material organises itself, from subatomic particles to atoms to molecules to crystals, and the part played by structured symmetry in growth.

What is the nature of the 'interface', the 'bridge' between electrical force that binds the atom and the gravitational force that, across the atomic interface, organises mass into such huge lumps of stuff as a star?   If we're looking for a mechanism for the creation of mass then it makes sense to consider how the particles that make up 'mass' (in whatever form we consider that stuff) come into being, and to clearly recognise and understand the realms of scale of the interfaces at which different sets of processes operate. [The 'interface' effect - the scale at which stuff stops being what it was before and becomes something else instead.]

These are not questions that can be answered within the scope of geology, but there is something about the 'immaculate conception' ('creationist') model of planetisimal accumulation/  formation, where an invariant mass of 'stuff' was there in the first place - always was and always will be, imbued with the mass and rotational characteristics we see today - that seems very iffy.  The increase in the size of the Earth that is empirically observed yet for which there is no known explanation, is making it clear it is time to ask some hard questions of quantum mechanics and astrophysics, that is, if 'science' as promulgated by real scientists can rise above their extraordinary capacity for being masters of the college ( with their view that what they don't know isn't knowledge), and consider the evidence staring them in the face instead of ignoring it - that the Earth is getting bigger.  The evidence for, lies in the creation of the ocean floors (and all other Earthly parameters).  The evidence against? .... lies in the hubristic assumption by scientists that this cannot possibly happen.  Properly stated this should carry the riders, "there is no known way," ,,, and "within the bounds of understanding."  Because when it comes to answering the really big questions we are still as babes in the wood goggling with fixed curiosity at what surrounds us.

Back to the future, flat Earth, and geocentrism.

Notes

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Nice juxtapositions by GEOLOGY_page and the Amer. Geo Soc. regarding volcanoes and where all the carbon dioxide comes from to make limestones.

The Big-So Questions :-

Somewhere in the Pacific (click for a bigfig.)

 So, .. :-

1.  Given that so much of the ocean floors is made up of 'bleeding blips' of lava, where does all the water for the oceans come from?
2.  And so too, .. where does all the carbon dioxide (/SO2 etc) come from? (Cows farting?) (or the people who eat them) (i.e., bacteria)?  Is it them, or us, or industry, or something much bigger altogether? ["Sometimes, .. all I need is the air that I breath.." say the trees and all living things that can call themselves vegetable.]
3.  Talking of bleeding blips (and volcanoes) Why are the sensors for checking carbon dioxide levels for global warming on Mauna Loa (which is the biggest volcano in the solar system next to m.m.m.m Mighty Mons Meg on Mars)?

"We have confidence that the CO₂ measurements made at the Mauna Loa Observatory reflect truth about our global atmosphere." (Link)  [OoO.O.oh ~ I don't .. And a whole lot of tourists who go to Hawaii don't either.  (Ah the hubris, the lemon juice and the egg-on-face) (The wh'whose wh'ho, ..th'hough - thar be the question (Boris).]

Also in the image:-

4.  Why are there no volcanoes on the ridge (Not even under Noaa's icons)?
5.  Why are there not even any 'blips' on the ridges (under the icons either)?
6.  Why are all the volcanoes aligned with the transform faults (and not the ridges)?

And :- 

7.  Why did the Noaa-Man blow the whistle?
8.  Why do we have to pay for the smelly volcano with jobs? (say the miners) [" 'Coz God and yer gummint says yer a mucky mob (an' need a wash)]
9.  Did the oceans used to be more acidic? [My carbonate-encrusted, silver-plated, oath they did!  Never mind.  Them wee thingies clean it all up and lay their boddies down in big layers for us to use ('cos God is a control freak who likes the look of us, .. except me for perpetrating malodour on everybody's happy Plate Tectonics.) [Don't know what he makes of that .. ..]
10.  How does limestone form anyway (both sorts)? 

Is there something smelly in the state of Western Australia (as well as Hawaii)?  [Why Denmark I don't know.  Cows? .. Who says. ..?]

Has humanity's humility overtaken geological time as God's enigma code?

[You can continue this particular thread here if you like..]

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Translation from Gobbledegook
 
 AGS :   So what are you doing?
 We're looking at how best to advance land reform.

AGS :  How are you going to do it?
According to need.

 AGS :  Is anybody else doing anything similar?
 Dunno - we'll check it out.

 AGS :  So what did you get already?
That we're going to have to need the public on-side.
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(20170414)

Blocked or muted (not unfollowed) by GEOLOGY_page.  (= Culture of Muzzling?)


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http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/03/mount-etna-volcano-eruption-sicily/
There is also a kidipede, in case of "questions later"
http://scienceforkids.kidipede.com/

(This one's from the National Geographic .. )

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 And discover that the mantle is not molten, but is solid - which is why earthquakes can be recorded. The reason why it is molten is because the pressure (and all bets) is/are off.  And everybody had just better look out.  [Remember Pompeii.]


Quote :- " The potential for danger increases as the region near the volcano becomes more actively developed. In the past 150 years, the surrounding population has nearly tripled."

... suggesting (to people like me) that it is us (and all the tweeting) who are awakening the wrath of Mother Earth.  [Remember Pompeii (again) .. and that was just with a few carousing Romans after the death of Jesus Christ.]   The Mafia had better pull its collective head in, .. methinks.  And who can blame me [correlation = causation and all that].

 [National Geographic as a teaching instrument needs to update its definitions on the mantle.  Methinks that too.]


"All it takes is one person to comment that something doesn’t add up."

("Plates")  ("Mountains" ) ("Erosion")  etc.
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" ... Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals¹ show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position. The following is a partial list of these organizations, along with links to their published statements and a selection of related resources..."       https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
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I see they've downgraded their position now to "extremely likely".  It used to be a dead cert.  Moreover, back in the early 1970's all this "climate-change" used to go by another name - the (then) newly fashionable 'El Nino'.

"Yeah? What's that mean?
"Jesus Christ!"

This expletive had certain resonance for me back in those days because being in the field in the lead-up to Christmas it used to get fucken hot!!  And odds-on Christmas would be even fucken-hotter! .. well into the hot forties  'S'cuse the French, but it's appropriate.  Recently it's hardly been cresting the mid-thirties.  Back then when people greeted each other in the street (Kalgoorlie) it used to be with a "Hot enough for ya?" Nowadays the nice autumn days just slip into Christmas and much of January with hardly a curse.

I've never kept up with all of this "human-induced, man-made Climate Change", but there's an awful lot of 'science', media and public who go along with it.  I've only ever thought, "If they go about their science on that score the way they did with Plate Tectonics, then we can take it all with a big pinch of salt".  [A comment that some people are also wakening up to is also relevant to physics .]

I mean the human bit. Warming and cooling is the way the world does it for reasons which, if it isn't people who are to blame, then it's something else - and it doesn't really much matter what, because with our filling up the oceans with plastic bags and other contaminents, and pea-soup atmosphere in places, people really could do to clean up their act!!   And the eco-friendly alternatives on offer are a no-brainer, get real, imperative. ASAP.   As is the connection to financial expediency, on which governments generally could do to put their heads together (ASAP).  Just think of that, .. how 'free' energy could be a real game changer in people's lives [Jeez! and you think Donald Trump's a problem .. That's one that could really do with thinking about, and a "Beware of what you wish for".]
  
[More fuckens. (You can do this in the field when nobody's listening, .. (swear your head off. :-) )]

It's only in about the last year or so that the consensus on climate change has been mentioning El Nino, and then with an almost embarrassed "Ahem, .. Ah, well, yes, .. it does confuse things a bit." [Several links here to include.]

I think we're getting closer to "The Reveal" and what's going on... 

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Rationalising Religion

THE EMBEDIMENT WITHIN
Life in death and death in Life

"Holy Mary Mother of God
Ah canna marry wee Jock Todd
For he's a Pape and Ah'm a Prod
Holy .. Mary .. Mother ..."
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Written in response to the near simultaneous deaths in France on Bastille Day and the sloppy 'coup' in Turkey, both of them reflecting the tension between the religious and the secular that confronts the West and the Middle East, with France and Turkey being  the meat in the sandwich - and with Mr Erdogan keep dogwhistling in his bid to create an extreme Islamic state under the guise of claiming 'secular democracy'.

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[Added 20180515 :=: Trump's solution to the Middle East ] 

Theme :-  Religion versus Spirituality. [Originally named 'howigotreligion' - or rather how I came to a better understanding of 'religion' as it is popularly perceived - changed to "Rationalising Religion" (this page).  Geology holds a somewhat special place in this on account of providing the time needed for evolution to happen (C. Darwin), and the key to understanding the likewise evolution of the environment in which we live ("God's works"). I wrote about the difference (as I see it) here [1, 2, 3 +post] before checking with the wiki and discovering that not enough is made of the difference between religion and spirituality, and the bewilderment (mine at least) that follows from trying to understand the connection between the material world that we can see, and the immaterial (subatomic) world that we can't.


So, .. 'Religion' - being the "God of Small Things".  All that's needed is inclusion of some word with an 'h' in it for there to presage some supernatural encoding to aid understanding all this,  and thereby the Meaning of Life in general.  (I'm a great believer in the memetic, political power of acronyms because they are all over the morning /mid-day /evening news, so they must mean something.   So "aitch" as the skeleton in 'ghost' - that dare not speak its name.   If that doesn't raise the hair on the back of your neck then .. .. (see me after the sermon).

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.. .. .. Not the small things as Arundhati Roy means in the sense of the trivia of people's lives that arrange themselves in such ways as to have such a chilling effect on whoever reads them (as she no doubt intends), but in the literal sense of the structure of the particles, elements, molecules and cells of which we are made, and by which too in some mysterious ways (as are becoming partly known) we make that empathic connection to Ms Roy's narrative.

And so might we too begin with some 'small' but what others might consider sensational, events in some other people's lives.  Like : =>

"A gentleman dining at Crewe,
Found an elephant's whang in his stew.
Said the waiter, "Don't shout and wave it about,
or the others will be wanting one too."

"There was a young Royal Marine
Who tried to fart "God Save The Queen"
When he hit the soprano, out came the guano
And his pants weren't fit to be seen."     (More?)

.. and by asking the question, why is 'humour' (of an uncertain type) so universal, .. particularly when couched in smutty rime.  And why humour anyway?   And ask further, -->  what else of the human condition is 'universal', and why is it so.

The first two at least can be answered simply enough by seeing the decorum of propriety subverted by the absurd and surreal. There is just something about the connection between the rational and the irrational that allows the adult off the hook of propriety.

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The limerick is the adult equivalent of the child's fart joke, and might be bolstered by a claim of sophistication (meter and rhyme) were it not that this too is the province of the child - the very young child, .. crooning and babbling in its cot, teaching parents how to make sounds that mean something in a child's world.  Adults might claim superiority by pointing to the limerick's bull's-eye way in which absurdity is delivered by the punch line, but would still have to go some to beat the Sound of Subversion punctuated with malodor, if the limerick is to hold its own.  The limerick has this kernel of the ridiculous (/contradiction) within it that can be unleashed in a moment. Likewise (come to think of it), young children are walking-talking kernels of subversion.  Propriety ('real') and the surreal are not to be evaluated on a par .. the surreal ('emotional') is just bursting to get out.

The point of this is in the encryption (/'embedding'). The two are not equals.  One resides within the other like an embryo - although which is the 'baby' (doing the slumming) can often be arguable.  In the limericks above, the sculpted joke of the adult can claim the high ground of reality and say that the 'emotional (/absurd)' resides within the 'real'(/physical), but this by no means precludes the converse.

So, with subversion /conversion, babies and bathwater in mind,  let's consider the roles of science and religion, noting that (*as_we_speak*) there are governments moving to decrease funding for science at the same time as there are advocates of religion proposing an increase in funding in that area, and that in this too is an example of encryption, or embedding - embedded within civilisation's reliance on technology to better our living standards (for example), is the religious instinct's emotional need to resist it. Conversely, embedded within religion is the urge to account for the world around, although simply attributing it to 'God' isn't really respectful of the human condition.  Historically, science has been the ultimate subversion of religion.  However precisely what this 'religion' is, is very difficult to specify. Its authority is merely stated as "Belief in God".  Which leaves us none the wiser, except that we are supposed to understand that it is something BIG.
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Let me state at the outset that I am a-theist, .. which is to say I am 'without God', .. I try to be actively passive when it comes to other people's view /concept of God(s).  It's nothing to do with me.  Not my business.  And I see in that detachment something of a benefit when it comes to looking at the world and my connection to other people's views on the matter.  I am univested. I just don't see that 'God' (like people's concept of their gender) should be such an issue that we should be waving him /her (or sundry other pronouns) around in people's faces.  We're all a bit quirky (and murky) in one way or another so it's a personal thing.  In fact privately I might admit to be inclined towards a little personal spirituality myself in the sense of a natural appreciation of the numinous.  Who, after all, does not appreciate the innate beauty of nature and wonder at it's magnificence, or have the capacity to reflect on why we see it so rather than being impartial towards it.

But I do object to the sort of paternal theocracy demanding obeisance that infests 'religion' such as 'godly' people are wont to inflict upon us via the softer face of theology. [Added 20180823] It does seem to me that people fail to make a distinction between the spiritual and the religious, and so on this occasion I am going to set aside my impartiality and indulge in some subversion, and even (by way of an S.O.S.) wave it about ('coz I suspect there are others who are "wanting some too".

[An' ain't gitt'n enny (!) (either).]

[And (like me) need rescued from their deficit.]

So, ...

'Religion (/God)'.  It all seems to me to be explained by understanding the duality (/bi-polarity, .. 'schizophrenia' almost) of encryption stemming from the conundrum of the 'Connectedness-but-Disconnectedness' of people.  You know the sort of thing, .. "I am a rock, I am an Island".  [?? .. "No man is an island"]   "Hey! You!  Get offa my cloud."  ["Everybody needs somebody" etc.]  "Solitary confinement is the worst punishment the prison system can dish out."  And all of that.  There's a whole library of songs written around the misery and exultation of it.  The CBD is apparently a health issue ('coz there's too much /not enough sex in it).. but when you get to thinking about it, well, .. maybe not.  Here's the Hash that Nash made, which is another good place to start.

(by Ogden Nash) :-
"Let's think of eggs.
They have no legs.
Chickens come from eggs
But they have legs.
The plot thickens;
Eggs come from chickens,
But have no legs under 'em.
What a conundrum!"

And when it comes to Meaning in Life, ..that, in an eggshell, is *it*.  It's a bit of a teaser, but I reckon he has his finger on the pulse.

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(Seeds.)  [Nice pic added - making a shortcut point about sun and seeds ]   "Pulse".  I mean 'bean'.  .. I'm thinking about beans just now because I just planted some not so long ago and they're coming up quite nicely now it's rained.  Amazing, isn't it, .. that encrypted in that little seed is a 'code' of some sort that, given the necessary extraneous addititives (like rain, nutrients in the soil, and some sun, will grow and make lots of other beans - on a stalk that Jack himself would be proud of.

The bean, .. the seed, .. gets right to the heart of the issue of the chicken and the egg.  So here's the deal about 'schizophrenia' /split personality ["Encryption /embedding", .. /baby and bathwater.] :-->

By itself the seed (with its encrypted puzzle) has no value.  To become 'real' /"realise its full potential", /become *real* in its environment",  it needs those extraneous additives of rain, nutrients, sun, and soil with its bacterial load.  In fact we could say that the seed is, in a sense, *of* the environment, and even its apotheosis in the way that its disparate elements are synthesised into the phenomenon we call (sentient) 'life' [encrypted in the seed]; life *is* (in a sense) the environment itself become conscious, .. or the agent by which it does.

I confess I've never read Lovelock & Margulis's thesis on the "Gaia Principle" because from a geological point of view (abiogenesis + evolution) the concept seems to me to be fairly and logically obvious, and the study of geology anyway reveals the expanded version.  [Science is like that;  what in the beginning is awa' wi' the faeries and controversial, in a very short time becomes 'Monday's mundanity', self-evident and of little further interest to most people once the conundrum is cracked.]

Now we could shortcut right here and conflate this connection between life and the environment with 'God' or the 'will of God, but it's a cop-out; science will deal properly with this one too once neuroscience and quantum science get together and work it out.  At the moment the latter is still trying to grapple with gravity and electricity.  While knowing much about what both can do (and putting it to use) those knowing most about both still can't provide an answer to what they actually *are*, in terms that are not just essentially a restatement of the question.

But here's the mean bean trick - the 'catch' if you like.  The plant that the seed grows into dies every year, but makes an abundance of new seeds before it does.  Keep planting and the plants keep dying.  But the seed goes on forever.  Not the same seed, but the coded encryption that makes seeds - which is the essence of life.  It doesn't _ even _ miss _ a _ beat, .. but only so long as the sun shines, the rain rains and there is food to help it grow.  The seed (the encryption of life) is immortal - BUT ONLY IF EXTERNAL (wildcard?) CONDITIONS DEEM IT SO (AND THE PLANT THAT GERMINATES KNOWS HOW TO MAKE SEEDS ISN'T FOR SOME REASON STERILE) - each batch different from the seeds that went before, but seeds nevertheless.  The plant itself is doomed from the moment it is 'born'.  Disposable.  There is death in life, and life in death - PROVIDED THE EXTERNALITIES ARE FAVOURABLE, .. or it all falls in a heap. So you can see what Ogden was getting at when when he was having a laugh about chickens.  The chickens themselves keep carking, .. but it's the egg that's the thing - the cradle of life, .. forever and after.  And by extension, the environment that sustains it.

So which has priority? - eggs, or chickens?  The seed, .. or the environment?  As the seed, Life keeps pushing Death out of the way.  And Death - is the sacrifice that must be made for Life to flourish.  What on Earth is that, that we are looking at there?  What are we missing in that particular 'encryption'?

That's not just quirky, it's positively, excruciatingly, exquisite - a sado-masochistic coup-de-gras, .. not just adminstered to humanity, or even all living things, but to existence in general.  No wonder it's a question that has defied [Gee, that's awfully close to "deified"] a real answer since time immemorial in all cultures.  But to say it is all too hard to be bothered thinking about (so let's not bother) (and just say something about 'God') is no answer at all.  Curiosity will have its way despite The Wheel of Death for those who venture into forbidden territory looking for an answer (--> think Richard Dawkins and evolutionary biology) .. but before that :-

" Eduard Lhuyd (1660-1709)  maintained .. "that fossils developed from "moist seed-bearing vapours" which rose from the sea and penetrated the earth, perhaps carried down by rain." (link)

"Thinking"?  ..  Sure, .. if it's rain that makes things grow, why not think of the rain as planting the 'seeds' as well?  And if the rain comes from the sea (and the vapours get elevated to the heavens before falling on the land)  then (by the grace of God) the seeds must too.  Association => causation.  We're still doing it. [Anthropogenic global warming.]

"The central problem in science, as in everyday life, is how to differentiate between real causal effects and the spurious ones that are due to confounding variables."  ... He suggests that our "trouble with science" may lie in the fact that evolution has left our minds better able to cope with day-to-day social interaction, than with the complexities of the external world."   [Peter Taylor, flyleaf review of Robin Dunbar's book, The trouble with science.]

So why not just 'pass', .. not think about it, .. leave it to the Big Guy, ..and have faith.  .. in ..(whatever).   (Though there is irony in the evolutionary fact that seeds did, in fact, come from the sea.
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That conundrum about life and death must have occupied the minds of people since earliest times so you can see how they could come  up with a creation story like Adam and Eve, because obviously it must focus back to the original seed.  If there is an abundance of people today (i.e., in the last several millennia), and seeds propagate, then obviously human life must have begun with ... well, .. certainly a lot fewer than are around today, .. and if "few", then why not just two?  Two, after all, are all that's needed.  (Logical, see?)

"Two?  Just two?   How come?"
"Well, .. God put them there."
"Where?"
"In some nice place that would allow them to multiply and prosper so that we could get to where we are today."
"But, ..."
"Don't worry about it.  Ours not to reason why.  It's in the book."

Nice place?  Have you seen that place today?  Was it ever much different?

Anyway, it is the seed though, that has the 'balance of power' so to speak, .. people themselves are just the vehicle, the tree of its life, snowflakes that melt in the sun.  (So where did the seed come from?)  Not only is all the information to make a 'plant' encoded (/embedded) in it, but also the information required for that plant to make more seeds - which is a cyclicity that is very remarkable indeed, and one very much worth thinking about.  A seed, encoded with the information to make more seeds that are all different, even to their fingerprints  [Why did 'nature' do it that way, instead of just bequeathing eternal life to individuals?].

(Answer :-  Because life would have been obliterated as soon as the environment changed and the living was no longer easy.  Life and the environment are one.  With the cascade of different seeds from successive generations of plants germinated (according to the externalities of the changing environment), there will always be seeds suited to change, provided the environmental change is not so drastic that it kills all the plants before they are able to make seeds.  So, .. a bit of code with a circular loop encoded.  (What could be 'simpler'? )

So when I read ...

"The figures for a 2010 Eurobarometer survey in the European Union (EU) reported that 20% of the EU population claimed not to believe in "any sort of spirit, God or life force".[28]". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

... I find myself having a curious double-take on that phrase "spirit, God, or life-force" because obviously there is an inherent 'life-force' in the 'push' for the seed to grow, whether it be vegetable or animal) (leaving aside 'mineral' for the moment, though the reader might care to read Gene Ellis's view here)  It's not enough for there to be the active encouragement of sun and rain and nutrients [i.e., for the externalities to 'pull' the seed into action], the seed itself must be programmed to make use of those externalities.  It must be *viable* of itself, it must (when push comes to shove) have a life of its own that can wriggle and squiggle and push itself into the daylight (so to speak) when the conditions are right to find the sun that will make the chlorophyl that will .. ..

Now, .. hold it right there (Google moment coming up).  Chlorophyl converts sunlight to the sugars that feed the plant, but is it made by  sunlight? If the seed germinates when it is dark (no light) then it must be heat that is needed (partly at least) to activate the seed, not light. So is it the light?  Or is it the heat?  Or are the two different sides of the same coin?

In fact some seeds need quite a lot of heat to activate them (after a bushfire for instance), - and some say the chemical ingredients in smoke are needed too. [more "externalities"].  And plants don't do too well in the winter.   So, some mulling curiosity might lead to a research opportunity about what exactly it is that seeds need to trigger germination and keep them living.   Who knows, somebody might even get around to thinking about it (more), and finding out.

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Goodness!  All that wriggling, squiggling and looking for a partner and trying to make sure we gets there first (when push-pull comes to shove) (and all the emoticons that go with it).  It's complicated.  The equivalent in the plant world is a little different but there's no denying an overall similarity/analogy when it comes to seeds making plants /animals and the importance of 'externalities' ["Yeah, let him win, .. Big bully, ..they deserve each other anyway".] [=>Or be a stromatolite and get there first - and last - by sitting back and doing nothing.]

Whether or not to attribute this connected world of the seed<-->/externality to (a) God in the usual sense of the word (Heaven, Angels, Seraphim, Cherubim and the full heavenly chorus -  and pink-winged unicorns raising us up to our true exalted selves when we're no longer functional) is another thing; there's a whole lot of things that used to be attributable to a 'God' or gods that are quite easily explained today by science (if we can be bothered to think about them), so whether or not a god is involved means addressing the question what we mean by 'God'(s), and what the nature of this 'life-force' might be - always with the caveat of 'schizophrenia' (seed + externalities) (divorced from each other but inherently conjoined)  hanging over everything - as well, of course with the understanding that the seed is comprised of the elementary particles and molecules which combine to encode this facility for repetition /reproduction down the generations.

<--> See?  It's very much a "just-like, but different"/scale thing. ("Dominoes.")

<-->In the meantime (until we get used to the idea and lose interest)  the realisation of this connectedness of (sm)all things evokes an awareness of beauty and wonder, and at the same time, fear, because awareness without understanding - particularly if the situation is threatening (like the finality of death and the destination of your mortal soul) - can be quite distressing for the small mind trying to confront large conundrums when it wants to try to understand but doesn't have a clue where to begin.  Some people think that it's not the 'seed' that's the main thing but the 'externality', or perhaps not even that so much as its connectedness to that externality,  . the link(s) that bind, that is 'God'.   So, wh..?  Whe..? ??

[Note here to include our facination with origins also through archaeology and ancient texts.]

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This is where the religion-of-old confronts the science of the new and the dichotomy between the 'why' and the 'how'.  Every time Science provides an answer to the question, "Why is such-and-such" so, Religion calls it a 'how', and attributes 'why' to something externally ethereal, sublime and transcendent, .. a 'guiding purpose' of sorts expressed in the beauty and connectedness of things it names as 'God', which says (according to 'scripture'), "Thou shalt have no other god but me".  Religion appears oblivious to this somewhat narcissistic, homocentric projection, and mandates faith and belief in a creator.

"Belief"?   *What* people believe is none of my business.  But I do take issue with belief itself, i.e., the barrier that gets in the way of the inclination to think, and, difficult though it may be, rationally explore this curious sexy quality of the CBD (Connectedness-but-disconnectedness) of things,  .. the belief that subverts our rational *consciousness*  that makes us sentient beings able to deal with the cruelty of the environment in such a way that helps our survival.  Other life forms struggling to survive might take issue with our presumption that this sentience is a peculiarly human attribute.  The further view that inanimate things don't have the same sentience as living things further highlights this conundrum of connectedness that sets life apart from inanimate things, yet essentially binds them.  Is it this connectedness, this 'cement rather than the bricks', that describes the mystery of connectedness that infuses everything, expressed particularly as 'life', and even more particularly as human life, that some (apparently) call 'God', or 'life force' :-:-: "if we don't know, then some 'body' or some 'thing' must?  "How else can there be such 'perfection' that appeals so excruciatingly to our sense of order and wonder, if there is not meaning and purpose, some "intelligence" (like ours) (that *knows*) (if only..), behind it?"

You know what they say :-:  "You are what you eat".  What underscores the connectedness of the self with the environment more graphically than :- 

"Sometimes, all I need is the air that I breathe, ..  .."

Maybe what they also say - "You are what you do" (/do what you are").  So say, "Your grace," and know the extent to which you are part of the environment, and vice versa in the way that the bacterial load we carry ensures our cellular (sentient) selves.  And know that :-

"It's only the beginning..."

(Yeah, .. well, ..)   Leaving aside 'externalities' for the moment,  let's consider some basic aspects of ourselves now.  'Me' will do (since I'm waving myself about).  It seems to me that in this contract of life and death there is an obvious bi-polarity /schizophrenia about me in the sense that one half of me is consciously sentient with all the quirks, quarks and quarms of cognition that get me through the day and coddles me in the environment, but come night time and I have to sleep, the other ('unconscious') half of me keeps going.  I know that I dream, .. but is this dreaming (the 'embediment' within) 'sentient' too, if it is oblivious of the real world?  In a way it's a bit banal, but it is one that is indeed worth consideration from the viewpoint of scale - the difference being whether we are in the particulate 'electrical' world of neurons ("below the line" so to speak) or in the real world above it.

(That scale thing again.)

This is the half that couldn't care that much about all my QQQ's at all, so long as my PiPeeP's are well regulated, which business is that of 'housekeeping', .. keeping the blood clean, .. the circulation going, the lungs breathing and so on, .. and generally paying attention to my wellbeing as best it knows how.  In my waking life it also equips me with 'gut instinct', emotions, sexual definition /gender proclivities, and meaning (/'intelligence').  Not sure about that last one but you know what I mean, .. notions of what's good for me and what's not, and when 'not enough' might in fact be too much, and that send a message to my sentient half that I need to slow down, .. pull my head in a bit, and (everyday) make me fall asleep so it can give me the once-over and prepare me for the next day. All of which helps towards an empathic connection with the 'externalities' around me (food /water /air), without which I wouldn't exist.

It is, in short, the autonomic nervous system, well known as the "inner self" that everybody wants to get in touch with once they get a sense that they need to slow down, and a holiday if possible.  It operates to our constant well-being, or (to put it spiritually) "to our eternal good".  Somehow too we are aware that everybody else's inner self must too, .. and that it is on this level that an empathetic connection is made.  The 'outer self', the one we present to the outer self of others, is a different story.

The transaction between the inner selves of people is epitomised in the simple respectful greeting of a "hello".  That of the outer self is more intrusive, like a nosey question, or (in extremis) bullets from a gun.

Everybody has probably had an encounter with the inner self at one time or another.  I know it is a bit retro to be suggesting it, but in looking at the religious literature I find that substituting the term 'inner-self' for 'God' makes it all read very well and even (through the murk of metaphor) quite intelligibly.

When we die it's the autonomous nervous system that's the last 'light' to go out.  The blood stops cleaning, the heart stops beating, and the nutrients and other 'externalities' that the body has accumulated to sustain itself are gathered back into the material world, .. and the 'light' just, .. well, ..  goes out.  [Programmed cell-death --> Use-by date reached.  Nothing we can do about it.  'Twas ever thus.  Nobody escaped death yet. Etc., etc.]  It's in the Grand Plan of the Gross National Product.

"The light"?  What light? Well, .. one light I *do* know of that keeps going all by itself in the dark is the light of the mind that illuminates my dreams, that the system switches on so it can clean all the fluff out from under the bed.  It's there all along, day and night, though of course we tend not to notice it when we're awake, but it keeps going, pumping the heart, cleaning the blood etc, and could illuminate our life too if only we knew rightly how to switch it on and cajole it into connectness with our conscious self so that it might extend its natural benificence to our waking life.  Perhaps we too could walk on stormy waters  instead of being buffetted this way and that.  In fact, maybe it doesn't "go out", .. maybe, .. as those of near-death experience vouch for, .. it switches on, and is "that bright land, to which I go".   But by what neural agent do we experience that 'light' in our dreams?.
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And so I find 'God' explicable and self-evident as a statement of both the (embedded) inner self and its connection to the external world, helped by an awareness that our corporeal physicality is the sum of its subatomic, molecular and cellular parts and the electrochemical forces that bind all living things, and about which there is much that we don't know, but could get to know if we could be bothered to think about it.  If we can't be bothered, and are happy to remain in ignorance because our capacity for curiosity falls short, then so be it ("whatever floats your boat").

And I include myself in this.  I find the particulate world beyond my comprehension, and my understanding of electricity and electrostatic force barely extending beyond the fluff in my navel.  But I don't attribute it to 'God'.  Well I might, .. and could, if I was so disposed.  But I don't.  I know there is something there worthy of attention and, given a proper clue that is relevant to what else I know, and time to think about it, I think I could find it all really quite interesting [helping me to make connections] because it is telling me that this physical world that impinges on our experience (within which we are embedded) is an illusion in a sense, and that it really exists (if we care to think about it) as its elemental parts on a scale that is below the radar of our palpable world.  It doesn't frighten me as a no-go area inhabited by 'gods', and although it invokes a sense of wonder, it doesn't encourage me to subjugate myself to any omnipotence.  Quite the opposite.  I feel validated, and privileged to be alive and part of it, but of course I attribute that directly to my mother and father rather than credit some omnipotent 'deity'.  Indirectly it all taps into something inexplicably else.

In fact I think it would be really interesting [/'connected'] to know - "if only I had the time" - and a stronger inclination to know why my senses do not readily know of this sub-molecular /atomic world that winks in and out of existence when I look very closely at it down my handy electron microscope.

However I need to think about it before I can get motivated.  Something is making me lazy and preventing me from doing that. The mind is preferring to be disconnected and should I be concerned about that?  Well, maybe, but I'm happy that others who know more than me in that department are working it out for me, though I may take issue with some of the things they say, and if I did then it would be from a standpoint of knowledge and understanding that I do so, not from one of faith and belief.

But with this realisation about self and connectedness comes another, which is that if you think you have this personal 'god' embedded within you and so don't much have to bother about, think again, because though it is true in a way, in another it isn't.  We only have it 'on loan', so to speak. It is only with us for a short while.  We should pay more attention to it, nurture it.  Corporeal well-being is only one of its briefs, and through keeping us well (despite our best efforts to thwart it) it is giving us a clue about another, which is everything emotional, intellectual, and spiritual.

Anyway [cop-out here] - how do I know that I'm cognitive enough to even begin to think?  How would I know if I do?  And if I did and were so inclined, would I see it the same way as others, unfazed as they might be by this boundary between the quantum world [that determines my neural circuitry and the way it works to make me cognitively aware (and rational - or not), that I am much excluded from, and the 'real-but-unreal' one that I live in?  And how do I rationalise the interface between the quantum world and the palpable physical one?

Frankly, I find the concept of scale invariance ["from the scale of the universe to a billionth the size of the atom"] across this divide into the particulate world (where "elementary particles are like peas in a football park; Fig.1) difficult, and the literature around it quite impenetrable.  It seems to me to smack much of the homocentric mind that has given us Plate Tectonics.  And so (by extrapolation) I am suspicious of what others say about it.

Fig.1.  The 'Alpha' point (?) - ("I'd forget my balls if they weren't in a bag") (being a bloke).  Meaning they are; i.o.w. is it an alpha, or an X? (or one of those circles with a wee '+' sign on a leg down the bottom, is a good question :-: +infinity and -infinity?   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56gzV0od6DU

The interface between reality (above the line, with its atoms and elements and molecules and substances and planets and stars and galaxies) focussing down to the subatomic world below the line, in which particles are the size of "peas in a football park".  What does it mean to live at the interface between +infinity and -infinity?  Are we snowflakes really so special?  I don't think so. Not even the trick of being able to carry my marbles around in a bag warrants that!

 Above the alpha point (the cross-over point in the sketched line that looks like the Greek letter alpha) reality opens out to the infinity that I know of and can observe.  Below it, I close the loop because given that we begin with the small size of the atom, I find the quantum world and the concept of minus infinity difficult and fraught with problems.  A billionth the size of the atom (according to the "Principle of Scale Invariance"), just doesn't do it for me, and besides it is still finite].  It seems difficult to me anyway to be sized infinitely smaller than something that is effectively zero in the first place.  If the atom is the smallest indivisible part of the element, what can reducing it to a billionth of its "smallest individible size" possibly mean, even if meaning is expressed in unassailable mathematics?  It's not just a scale boundary, it's a phase boundary too.  On the other hand, if the 'minus' world really is the alternative equivalent to the +ve one [and the +/- of electricity really does fascinate me] then the possibilites are literally undreamt (but potentially accessible).

It seems to me that in the physicality of this subatomic world lies the key to understanding the neural makeup of the brain that functions to create the sense of self, or 'mind', and thereby the potential to touch it and experience the 'spirit' of humanity, .. a connection to ourselves and to others that, when we lose it, we get sick.

'Life-force' then is the force (from wherever it might derive) that pushes us over the hump, .. over the 'alpha-line', .. through the keyhole, .. and looks much to me like its manifestion might not reside in particles, peas /beans or mass of any sort, so much as in electrical (/electromagnetic) force that binds it, [bearing in mind that the two might just be opposite sides of the same coin] .. possbily some small-scale analogue of that lightning bolt that God throws down from the Heavens in Walt Disney's Film Fantasia (you know, ..the bit where they're treading the grapes to Beethoven's 'Pastoral', before they get deluged by the storm), directly analogous to the relationship that mass particles have with elements and the real world.  So what is the "embedded" real-ationship that mass has with electricity?  Or electricty has with mass?  Are both the same ("standing wave") thing  Why is electricity polarised as just two sorts?  And what might the "0" in the middle (the absence of any) represent? There's a scale boundary applicable to mass that makes all those peas in the football park conceivable,  .. does electricity (/electromagnetism) have a scale boundary across that divide too?

[That fluff, .. it really does stick in the navel.]

So then our awareness of 'God' is just our awakening to the existence of this 'thing' making life (abiogenesis + evolution) (plus externalities) (repeat links) that resides within us , and by extrapolation everything else too, .. just as we are aware of the force of gravity when we fall, or electricity if we survive its strike.  'God' is the belief /knowledge /understanding that within us there is the potential to be at one with the mysteries of existence and not to fear them, and even (if we care to) might learn to understand them (better).  And feel good about that.

'God' (written with a small 'g' because it is personal) then, is the self. Through understanding the benificence of the autonomous nervous system and its transformation to mind and the empathic connection to all living things and the inanimate material world, we come to realise (and are given the opportunity to understand) (if we are inclined to think about it and internalise it) the cause /causation of our existence. [That's "Cause" by the way (existential), .. not reason, or purpose (/not 'why') but just simply our existential *'is'* of place, space and time in the natural world, and the ineffable connections that binds us to all things. 

"The spirit of God is (/lies) within."

Nothing much to "theologise the sh** out of" in that one, is there? When the phrase is searched for in quotes Google returns 318,000 results for a "God is", but only 8 results for a "God lies" (within). The reason I googled the difference was to discover exactly which phrase is the one that gets most used. I thought both were used about equally. So is that overwhelming imbalance telling us what happens when theologians get in on the act and play loose with the lexicon by telling us that God doesn't lie, and the "the TRUTH (whatever it is) is within and "will set you free"?

Of course the "spirit of God" is within (and everywhere else from here to the horizon). And beyond.  Where else would it be? ... in a book on a dusty shelf?  That some 'buddy' wrote?

Nothing more exalted than that (though it is a remarkable thing) it is the orientation of our naturally beneficent, emotional /spiritual self, not the one that gets buffetted and corrupted by the exigencies and compromises of life that bend us into the crooked timber we present to the world, but the gold that is the spirit of the honest man - ("for a' that") .. (and a' that).

A personal 'god' because it's me, myself, and my business and nobody else's, charged with the onerous task of looking after me (because nobody else will once we exercise volition and chart our own way from that of others, or it gets decided  for us by 'life').  Death will have its way of course, because it too is written in the plan in which for a cosmic moment we are privileged to participate (for 'reasons' that very arguably have nothing to do with us).  That 'other God', the one that looks after everybody else, the one that is embodied in 'religion', is just the sum of the parts, codified for easy management.  Whoever puts themselves forward to manage that 'confederacy' /congregation of "deplorables" and "recalcitrants"  (but not always singing from the same song-sheet), /(dis-)connectedness, should be acutely aware that they have a scale problem to deal with, and that there is a pathology inherent within religion that can be dangerous.  Those who are not aware (and there seem to be very many) should butt out.  The sense of connectedness has to come naturally, .. from the heart. As with many things in human affairs (e.g., the difference between Justice and Law), when it comes to connectedness there is the danger of an inversion of sorts, where 'religion' comes to preside over 'spirituality' - when it shouldn't - at least not without due regard for their respective scales of agency.
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Stories.  Well, .. at any rate I find the above a more credible explanation than the one about Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden and wandering desert tribes and sectarian slaughter, or the one about crucifying someone because he scattered shekels in a bank once.  But whatever you fancy.  You can read into this coupling of connectedness just about any story you like, but it diminishes not one whit the value (and power) of the analogy they communicate, .. the "just like, but difference" (encrypted) code we have to crack to understand our environment and others in it that give meaning in our lives.

Which returns us to Arundhati Roy and *her* god of small things.  It's a powerful story by all accounts (I haven't read it) and gives us cause to reflect on many other stories, particularly the stories of old that inform us of our religious roots.  It is interesting to note that fanciful or not, the script in which they are written is immaculate, evidence no doubt of the erudition and education and therefore the authority and scholarship of their authors.  So they weren't your average goat herd, they were educated people who no doubt made it their business to look for financial support to ply their craft of story-telling just as writers and artists do today (and you know what *they're* like once they get hold of a theme) as artists of all denominations must if they are to eat, instead of getting a real job minding sheep or goats.  They would of course have tried to win support from some higher authority as might have a pacific interest in fueling suchlike stories to spread the memes of connectedness, with the benefit to national security and all.  So we'd be looking at writers who, just by the themes they were peddling and the appeal these would have to the public, would come to have authority virtually on a par with, if not greater than, that of the person providing them with financial support, thereby igniting the potential for power disputes.

And of course the memes-'n-themes /stories would be drawn from the social milieu and the celebrities of the time - just as they are today.

Fig.  Celebs telling stories - (Human 'signtists') then and now. (a) Men's business - ancient forum -  Male chavanist pig rabble-rousing the "Friends, Romans and Countrymen" (about lending their ears). (b)  Wimmin's world - Soft cuddly nightclubber using two fingers, promising bangs, and a baby-doll swimsuit her mother knitted to make a statement (about something on whatever takes your fancy) for whoever cares to translate it.  ("Allahu Akbar!")

You get a lot of time to think about things when sitting in a cave, whether it be by the Dead Sea of ancient scrolls (in refuges to keep them safe from rape and pillage), a study-corner in some palace, or anywhere else.   Support would no doubt be in the form of some sort of contractual engagement, like a weekly Sermon on the Mount, much as envisaged in the Monty Python film, Life of Brian :-

".. The film was named "greatest comedy film of all time" by several magazines and television networks, and it would later receive a 96% "Fresh" rating on Rotten Tomatoes with the consensus, "One of the more cutting-edge films of the 1970s, this religious farce from the classic comedy troupe is as poignant as it is funny and satirical."[5]   (Wikipedia)  [A very perspicaceous take on the whole story, i.m.o.]

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And that's it, born to live and born to die, ["It's all a joke and a chase after wind."], and in between the opportunity to make of it what we will - eat whang soup or soprano-the-guano - our own personal narrative that documents our existence on Earth - in story and song - everything that is narcissistic of ourselves and exploitative of others, yet redemptive too in our capacity for empathic connection and reconcilliation, if only we can work out how to dig beneath the superficiality of our selves and mine its inner resources, deeply buried though that can be.  A love story of sorts. ... A hymn to humanity.   Story upon story upon story, too many of them somehow being about pain and suffering, reflecting this disconnection from the inner self.  ("I never felt more like singing the blues" ).  "Songs sung blue" ("everybody knows one"), .. Or what about poor Eleanor Rigby (?) who got buried with only her name to memorialise her.  Maybe more people can relate to her retiring ordinariness, than to Jesus Christ who got crucified for being an outspoken loudmouth advertising himself (like me) (and you) as the Son of God.  [The Who?] Or as near as makes no difference.  What was he planning to do after making the Middle East Great Again anyway?  Brush his hair?

Ah, .. the encryptions, the tropes, the metaphors, .. the themes,  memes and wannabe dreams.  What is more poignantly cruel than life ("at seventeen") [lyrics] if you're a young woman with 'issues'?

Here's Leonard Cohen's Song to Suzanne (covered by Neil Diamond).  Puts it in a nutshell, .. sort of:-

() (lyrics) (story)

" .. And when He knew for certain only drowning men could see him,
He said all men will be sailors until the sea shall free them"

Neil Diamond's version of it posted on youtube has something of a context to the song and frankly I think he does a better job of it than Cohen himself.  Love, abandonment and redemption are powerful stories that touch us to the core that we all share.  The power of love is not hard to relate to, nor is the sea of life on which we are all sailors, drowning in love that is unrequited, or was lost /misplaced /overshared /failed /never found), or was dedicated to an endeavour that failed :-: ["Allahu Akbar!" (?) (again).]

[ "No greater love hath any man, than for ["I scream, you scream, everybody loves ice cream" < and>  "I'll buy you one more frozen orange juice on this fantastic day"  ]

The encryption embedded in that one is exercising a lot of people right now :-: what sorts of drowning souls are so disconnected from themselves that they allow themselves to be taken over by voices telling them to slay those they most want to be connected with?  Fools?  .. Lost souls of  'sailors' who tried and failed?..  "heros in the seaweed"(?), just as Cohen himself seems to be recounting how he failed the love of his life, and thereby consigned both himself and his love to the 'seaweed' of the deeps.  ("However, she gave me a beautiful song...")  [and thereby a whole lot of $$$$.]

As for him looking down from the "lonely wooden tower", the power of analogy, and the danger that arises when a demagogue steps forward to wield it, .. ..  who knows, maybe The Donald will charm every world leader he has to deal with [1] and make the world a right safe place - by telling them their face is like it is.  (You reckon?) .. everybody will have a job, homes to go to and hot dinners, and pesky Meskies won't be a problem, 'coz he'll  know that Everly in her day job of keeping everybody in line will have to go and get peacefully married and have lots more lovely kids, once she's sorted out the Japanese mafia for good..  'Coz she's ('virtually') proved her dedication to Moms and Motherhood and is therefore worthy of Amercan citizenship.  The only unknown in this scenario however will be who gets the job of being the charismatic husband with big hands.  Who knows, .. maybe Trump with an eye for shoes himself will step forward to fill her very nice ones with the red button talking points.

Everly's very nice shoes
".. are a bomb / made for walking " ?

.. 'cos she herself doesn't seem to have much use for them in her speedy, barefoot world of running rings around men and keeping them off the grass, However he would have to invite all the rellies to the wedding, wouldn't he, .. which would require a back-flip on that promise of the wall, because she is of Mexican-Lebanese parentage.

"...and she says with a huge smile: ‘I came from Mexico, baby. If you’re Mexican and Arabic in the United States, it’s a long way to climb those mountains!’ " [link] (Or google |salma hayek on donald trump| )

Why "baby" I don't know.  Popular culture straight out of some 'book' I guess.  But as for attitudes to the Islamic population of America, the heat in that one that got him (the very definitive 'D. T.') (/'delirium tremens')] elected is a supreme example of 'birth of the embediment', and just shows how nuts people are, that they will elect an utter nutter who doesn't know a 7-11 /9-11 senior moment when it hits him.   (How he will go with his finger on those red buttons I don't know either.)

Well, there we go, .. the God of small things (as one's own personal spirituality) in its many diversities.  It's a personal thing, .. and, like an opinion, perhaps best kept to one's self.

But if we're going to deconstruct it then (and it is just my opinion) I think we should wrest spirituality from religion and ditch the dirt.   *SPIRITUALITY* is ours, and can be shared around in story, song, and deed, because as the light that illuminates the internal (/eternal) (seedy) self and cleans the fluff from the navel it is intrinsically something good that connects us, and keeps the seed in business.  Which (by the grace of 'God') must get past adolescence before it can properly look after itself.   *RELIGION* on the other hand is the institutionalised management of people's spritual needs, coloured from having been marinated in the patriarchy and bloodthirsty stories of wandering desert tribes and their present-day militaristic moguls, and is the bathwater that should be thrown out - or at least sequestered in some other policy portfolio.  (Like football, maybe).  Dressed to the nines and burdened with official significations [1] [2]  in case people don't get it, .. that it *is* power - enormous power.  Ceded initially by warrant and the collective innocence of people, it draws to itself the authority to suck on their inherent un-goodness in some cosmic sociopathic gyre, eventually to preside over them like some genie,  until they, the people, held by a bond that must not be broken, find themselves in subjugation, fealty and fear... and divided, disempowered and manipulated by those who would for self-serving gain. Spirituality is what draws people together.  Religion is what tears them apart. Exploiting the conflation of the two is the very essence of pathological evil.  No less.


A bit strong?  Not if you lived five hundred years ago before there was separation of Church and State over 'here', and at the present-day over 'there' [ [1] [2] [3] [4] ] .  Why is the Catholic Church so disliked in Ireland, the most catholic country in Europe?

{Insert S o'C's  ["Child abuse and bondage".]  786952   [Also :-  Meanwhile S.O'C's impassioned appropriation of Marley's WAR [her view is directed at the Catholic Church and "religion";  Marley's is more broadly directed to social justice] has been vindicated (after two decades),
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We need to nurture the source code (more) - spirituality / human rights and everything else that is positive to the human condition of connectedness that is not (by consensus agreement /'justice') offensive to others.  And take care to separate what is culturally positive of spirituality  (repeat link) from the grip of  'religion' (repeat link), with the future benefit of children in mind.  So far as adults go, once the child is born their use-by is effectively up so they don't count that much other than to supervise the transition of the next lot of children to adults..  'Religion' (at least as it is traditionally understood in its multiple denominational guises) divides more than unites and offers those who would (divide), the opportunity to use it so, and never moreso than at the present time.

That, at least, is the story from Goodnews Week, where spirituality is intrinsically good and keeps us in daily shape.

What about Badnews Week, .. the view that humanity is intrinsically evil, .. grasping, exploitative, self-serving, uncaring and cruel towards others, and needs a list of instructions and a reminder to read them five times a day to keep us on the righteous path?  Well, that indeed is another face of the coin.  Not much is needed to recognise that as religion too. Some consensus (as just mentioned) is needed about what sort of world we would like our children /grandchildren to live in, and do more to foster it without allowing infants and adolescents to dictate the world that suits them so that they have to go through the pain all over again of experiencing what's best in the long term.

Two thousand years of story, .. and still going has to mean something.  But what?  Why is the one that theology presents to us held up as the one most relevant?  Answer :- because another theme that has a powerful grip on us is our history, particularly ancient history.  Those privvy to 'scripture' stir it into the mix of religion and use it to augment their power of presiding over others, insisting that eating whang soup will prevent the guano when you hit the soprano and other such gobbledegook is good for us.  It's a business model, and a pretty good one as business models go - once you've cracked the nut and got one going that works well, ..you don't change it.  But it *will* grind to a halt if something more relevant comes along to replace it.

"War Department" (1947) -->  "Department of Defence (1949)" --> [Department of Peace (1793)] (-->Department of Justice).  It all begins with how we educate children about the sort of world that we, from experience, think would be best for them to live in.  Unfortunately too much of experience that is useful gets left behind ("going forward").

Anyway, .. Ms Hayek (with or without shoes) can call me baby any time she likes.  I don't mind.

Summary :-  Connected at a deep level, but need air to breath, food to eat, and cuddled (and coddled).  That's it.  Don't look further, 'coz we're as good as deid anyway.


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