Sunday, March 24, 2013

Geologists 'R Us

Geology rules
( .. you bet! .. )



Students contemplate a basalt dyke and appear to be expressing manifest disinterest. But I don't think they are. I think they're being very diplomatic.


[This image was taken from the web a while back; can't remember where from.  If anybody objects to me using it I'll remove it, but in view of the subject of these posts it seems to illustrate a nice point (see footnote*)]

Being centre-stage, the subject of this photo is almost certainly the dyke. but I do wonder at the apparent disinterest, .. and why that might be.

It must be the first or second field trip when students get taken to look at a dyke, because like mountains (and valleys) a dyke is one of the simplest, yet most interesting things to contemplate in geology and is instructive for a number of reasons.  We won't cover them all here, .. just to say that when looked at properly (i.e., from the viewpoint of the most incisive question - being, "How the Hell did it get there?"), one look is all it takes to dismiss Plate Tectonics in an instant.  Less incisively perhaps are some others that are more 'circumlocutory' steps along the way to an answer, and are therefore equally valid.

It would have to be the most representative expression of the Principle of Structural Superposition in that it is clearly cutting through, and is therefore later than, the host rock, which in this case looks like granite.  The dyke, which is probably of dolerite (slightly coarser than basalt but of the same composition) is cutting, and therefore younger than, the granite.  So properly speaking we should refer to The Principle of Stratigraphic, Structural, and Magmatic Superposition. This is the triumvirate of Earth processes operating at different scales and different levels in the crust that allows proper time-sequencing of geological events and interpretation of Earth history. The other reasons relate to larger questions of global significance as sketched below.

What seems interesting to me about this picture is why somebody is taking it.  That somebody is probably the group leader, who has decided to take a picture in order to save himself the bother of saying a thousand words about something to do with this particular pit-stop, and which is self-evident.  And maybe something too about the apparent disinterest on show, for that dyke epitomises a fundamental point of logic that the "outsiders" of Plate Tectonics ("without a geological clue") ignore.

So let's consider what it is by asking some of those leading questions.

Did the granite body move sideways to let the dyke in, or did the dyke (being magma) (an incompressible fluid) intrude and forcefully heave the host-rock aside?   Ostensibly the students appear to be looking for an answer.  One at least seems to be convinced it lies underfoot, whilst the others seem to think it lies somewhere off to the side.  [Well, .. at least they're looking at the right side - looking at it my way, that is.]

So, .. pit stop, ..questions, .. thinking, .. photograph.   Here's my take on it (it goes  like this) :-

(Team leader) :-
"Here's a dyke, .. etc., etc., .. with a chilled basaltic margin (both sides) (indicating cooling) (etc.,  etc.)," .. and .. (applying best teaching practice by using leading questions the class can answer themselves, .. "Which was first and which was second, the dyke or the host rock?"

"..Well obviously the granite is first, and the dyke is second".

Then the next question follows :-
"So where did the granite come from?"  To which the answer is, well, .. it's coarse grained, .. it cooled slowly, and there's a great mass of it, so it must have originated at depth and cooled slowly. .. .. 
<  ... >
"So what's the answer?"
"Deep."
"And where did the dyke come from then?"
"Deeper."
"But the dyke is fine-grained and chilled quickly, so where did it crystallise in relation to the granite, and how did it lose its heat?"
"The dyke intruded, .. lost its heat to the granite as it came up, which must have therefore been cooler than the dyke."
"So how did the granite get from being in a hot place to being in a cold place?"
"It must have been uplifted."
"Right? Who thinks that's right? ... How much granite have we got here?"
< .. The whole country .. >
"So how did the whole country get uplifted from a hot place to a cold place?"

You can see here the students beginning to shuffle a bit at this point.  This is not what was expected from a simple dyke in a simple granite. Anyway, it was supposed to be about the dyke, not the granite.

"And what about the dyke?  Where did it come from, what was it feeding? And where is all of that 'feeded-stuff'  now?  And if the granite cooled at depth and got uplifted so we can stand on it, what happened to what was on top of *it*?  Erosion?  Who said 'erosion'? Did someone say erosion?  And how did *that* erosion, relate to the dyke's erosion that we see now - and what it (the dyke) was feeding?  And how do we think this uplift happened exactly, if it applies to the whole country, and the dykes (and that little sill over there - out of the picture) are not folded?  And what do you think uplift means for the 'sideways' aspect of this intrusion shown by the separation of the walls of the dyke?  Did this 'sideways behaviour crumple anything?  And where did the *granite* come from in relation to the basalt, if it was at depth long enough to cool down and be coarse grained? .. And if the basalt was below the granite in the first place, why did it come up?  Why didn't it just stay down there and likewise be coarse-grained?  And since it did come up, why did it come up in such skittery bits as this dyke, instead of in a big country-wide mass like the granite.  Fracture?  Who said fracture?   How deep was it, and how laterally extensive might it have been? Can we map it and find out?  What was the spatial and temporal relationship of the respective melts?  And which do you think was under the greater pressure to come up? "  Why did the granite 'come up' on the scale of the whole country while the basalt is just coming up what is essentially a hairline fracture - or less?

This is the bit where the students begin to look right and left, and realise that what he's going to say next is ...

" And let me have your thoughts by Monday."




Fig.2.  Filaments of NW-striking dolerite dykes intrude a diapiric granite pluton.  (Pilbara region, Western Australia.)  [GoogleEarth Location :-   -22.822591°, 117.341177°]


[*Footnote :- The point here being (apart from the obvious one of erosion) the importance of fracturing as indicative of scale of crustal penetration, and the likely importance of incremental upwards movement as a means of creating sideways space rather than (as Plate Tectonics has it) ~3,000km of (sideways) movement such as are said to build the Himalayas and, further away, deform the Russian Peninsula ["far-field tectonics"].

Truly, we live on a flat ('sideways') Earth according to Plate Tectonics.  This, I think, could well be what is occupying the collective minds of the students in the picture, which is why they're shuffling and contemplating their boots.  But how are they going to weasel such cleverness into their class exercise on which they'll be judged at the end of term?  It's all very well for the group leader to be asking suchlike questions implying 'up', but they know perfectly well that 'im indoors, .. their professor, waxes lyrical about sideways Plate Tectonics being the best thing since sliced bread and deserving a Nobel prize, with five centimetres of dyke three thousand kilometres away heaving up the Himalayas and all..  The students are no doubt wondering why three thousand sideways kilometres are needed at all if just a few centimeters of on-the-spot 'up' will do the job anyway.  Or even better if the global distribution of dykes in general are the issue, just lithospheric stretching - as the crust adjusts to outwards movement from the centre - like Earth expansion says?  Why the need for all the sideways hyperactivity?

Let's hope that's what they're doing anyway (contemplating).  We need a whole new crop of geologists apparently.  Otherwise another generation is (well and truly) screwed., and screwed up.

Geology.  It's all a question of scale. Observation / Logic /'Science'. And not getting carried away by anthropomorphic-homo/eccentric fantasy and speculation (/'models'). ["India came running full speed at Asia and boom, they collided," - said.]  Communicating to the public on the level of three-year-olds is one thing, but precisely what is being communicated is another.  A mindset is a mindset.  And the mind of Plate Tectonics is set in a both naive and zombie-like cast.  (And a few other adjectives as well, i.m.o.,  when it comes to questions relating to the biggest 'dyke' intrusions of all - those  (as Plate Tectonics would have it) constituting the sheeted dykes of the ocean floors.)
 

6 comments:

Milu said...

Hi Don, it's Michael - I bought your CD back in 2011 and we exchanged a couple of emails … not being a geologist, I lacked knowledge and vocabulary and consequently was struggling to properly understand the points you were making. Anyhow, I'm giving it another try now, reading your ebook on a tablet which works great with a local web server installed.

I hope you're doing fine … Seems like you switched from Blogger to Twitter.

There's something I wanted to draw your attention to. Quote from this page:

» After the war and the triumph of theoretical physics in the creation of The Bomb, the whole way science was done, changed. «

And there's also a nuke explosion pic in your ebook, with a similar reasoning as to how physics got in control and geology was relegated to second class in its own domain.

Well … :)

There's something about "The Bomb" that may have escaped your attention. In order to find out what that might be, could you take a look at the old b/w photos from 1945, aerial and ground, showing cities destroyed by English and American bombers, allowing damage assessment? May I suggest three groups: (a) German: Hamburg, Köln/Cologne, Dresden, for example; (b) Hiroshima and Nagasaki (nuked); (c) other Japanese cities subjected to conventional bombing, such as Tokyo, Kobe, Osaka, Fukuoka, or whatever else.

Observations? Or, as you wrote in "Geologists 'R Us" on March 24, 2013: "And let me have your thoughts by Monday." Just joking, of yourse … but there is something to be learnt!

Best wishes to you!

Michael

Milu said...

Meant to post this over there (and just did do so):

https://earthexpansion.blogspot.com/2013/04/contradicting-consensus.html?showComment=1585903312621#c4521860697334010714

don findlay said...

Good to hear from you, Michael. Yes of course I remember. (More than a couple of emails too!) I saw a bundle of visits from Germany on my blog the other day which was unusual and which reminded my of you. I even wondered if it could be. I did see your name (?) (I think) (or was it just that it flashed across memory?).. but it crossed with 'Leunig', who is a cartoonist of note here (https://tinyurl.com/v8mv23t) and I couldn't dislodge it.. In fact it was only this morning just *before I saw your post that I was sure it was as I remembered. So was pleased, rather than surprised to see your comment. I trust you're well.

That sentence you quote is very familiar to me as one of mine (?), but I can't find it. I placed it as from *cpr/mac.html, but it isn't there.

But no ("by Monday") :)) The Bomb has never escaped me. As a child I remember my own parents saying there were no words to describe it (Dresden) The horror of war impressed me very much as a child, even since small. I don't know where that comes from , .. parents, probably. Today there does seem to be more public acceptance of it though, but only so long as it is a shop-front, 'boutique' sort of 'war', something to fulfill next year's military budget and the research that supports /justifies it. It's bad enough of course for those on the receiving end, but surely the horrific wars of the past belong there. Everyone just wants a job, a home to go to, and a sense of inclusion and purpose. The autocrat and the symbiosis he (/she) can generate with his tribal base (of whatever complexion) is the real threat to demcracy (imo).

It's a long time (~20yrs?) since I heard someone (?Alain de Boton) (referred to as the "Piltdown Philosopher") predict that the next war would be a religious one. A case could certainly be made for that, but it would still be subordinate to the naked power wielded by some authoritarian despot /demagogue. One saving grace of Donald Trump is that he does seem averse to militarism of the classical sort - a spin-off maybe of being a real-estate developer (toy buildings instead of toy soldiers when small). A little bit to ake the political heat off him now and then, maybe. Well, he's certainly been knocked off his pedestal with this virus taking top-spot, leaving him non-plussed about his place in the world.

The virus seems to be illustrating a very important thing - how governments do co-operate in the face of real adversity, so hoping good things can come out of this, maybe accellerating a shortcut to common sense (so to speak). It does show the pointlessness of militarism, though some would argue it is its new (and far more economical, 'real-estate') face.

(P.S. I've just switched on, to post this which I wrote earlier today, and see an answer to my question, but I won't change anything just now. I'd like to see what I said. There might be something to add. (I think there's something else too I meant to say (about those dykes) that I haven't answered above.

PPS. I see yours at 1:44am (not my time since it wasn't there at 5am.) Google's time confuses me, whether it's my time, or takes the date-line into account, or which time zone. (I've never bothered to look it up.)

Milu said...

Hi Don, yes, that series of clicks on your blog, that must have been me. I navigated by clicking "Older Post" because the sidebar navigation is gone. Just wanted to catch up on what you had written.

Yes, the cpr/mac.html page on your disk is the one with the nuke image and the nuke watchers with eye masks.

Thanks for the Leunig pointer, didn't know that cartoonist, but I like his work, like here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-10-24/leunigs-mummy-was-busy-cartoon-1/11634638

Democracy and how it really works - Leunig
https://youtu.be/Z3zIpkc_Vm0

Okay, back to The Bomb, which you say has never escaped you, the horrors of war etc - okay, okay, we agree here, but that's not the point I'm trying to make: There's *something* about The Bomb that *has* escaped your attention - and almost everyone's attention - trust me! I'm going to post a comment on the other page to make it clearer.

By the way, this page here about the dyke is a great one because it teaches how to investigate, how to use reasoning and thinking like a detective in order to find out what happened. The intruding dyke as a crime scene. Anyway, the approach you're illustrating with regard to the dyke - you need to apply it to The Bomb as well! What happened?

As for the virus, I think it's just another harmless virus. The shutdown measures in the G20 countries are the real problem. This is an intentional social and economic destruction. Sheeple fall for it everywhere. We've been dumbed down beyond repair with all the propaganda about CO2 allegedly driving global mean temperature. What a load of BS. CO2 is irrelevant. The Sun is driving global temperature, along with cloud formation.

Blog post timestamping is just California time, me thinks.

I usually compose comments in Notepad or a similar text editor and then copy and paste it over into the box (on Blogspot or anywhere else) so I don't have to deal with the quirks and possible loss of what I wrote because of page/browser issues.

Okay, moving on to the "Contradicting consensus" page now.

don findlay said...

Had to break this, so it's in two bits.
*M. Leunig*. He usually nails it. I was going to front-page the link with that one too, but I see it's become a talking point https://tinyurl.com/tjl6766. I do think it is was quite funny. Also more of a comment on sign-of-the-times fascination with technology and the generational change that goes with it, than about 'Moms' per se. A similar alt-sex one might have to do with football or fishing, but I struggle to think of one. Too many unfortunately are children left in the back of cars with the windows up in summer heat while parent(s) goes shopping -or worse, getting reversed over in the driveway. And of course backyard swimming pools. I daren't gender-check any of them - or even consider it relevant. But the dad pushing a pram and baby falling out, .. you'd kind of expect that, wouldn't you, so it kind of deflates the impact. So I think moms win on that one (and the sense-of-humour fail).

*Dykes*. That's the Rocklea Dome and flanking synclines. It's the dome (uplift) that accounts for the dykes. The fractures surrounding the dome are higher in the pile and so generally seem to lack them. The folds are 'sag' folds. The granite is intruding them. The bedding generally is near flat despite the striking contours of the folding. I added the GoogleEarth coordinates under Fig.2, .. [ -22.822591°, 117.341177° ]

*Virus*. I'm of much the same view, but the bodies do seem to be piling up (though heavily weighted by age, which is usual in a population). But doctors are dying (which isn't). We could have done with less hype (reporting deaths agains infections when nothing was known about asymptomatic positives.) Now the media is saying that it is "a mild illness with few symptoms", and there is questioning of the models being used for predictions. Authorities have to put their own view aside and be seen to be doing the right thing (acting on medical advice) , but they seem to be trying to outdo each other's stringent measures, while doctors just say wash your hands and don't sneeze on people - And pooh-pooh the windblown virus, which I think is wrong (common sense). Some articles don't even mention airborne viruses, even though it is quite contested, and accounts for the low-grade spreading that (they say now) innoculates the general("asymnptomatic") population who test positive but have no connections to any carriers.

don findlay said...

(part 2)
Of course, anybody saying so (/ retelling) on social media risks getting shut down as spreading fake news. There's a lot to come out of this yet, a lot for the better too, hopefully, with time now to analyse properly. (See google's front page logo has flattened the curve already)

*Sun*. I notice that too. It's very striking how super-high the clouds are too this summer - particularly the latter part. For the last nearly two decades I've noticed how the seasons have been gradually getting in 'arrears' - now by about a month and a half, so we don't get Christmas weather till the middle of February (W.A.). In earlier years we used to go out of summer with a bang (literally) into winter - a build up of intolerable heat, then a thunderstorm followed by a cooler spell from which there is no repeat of summer heat. Also (from working in the bush) it's very noticeable (to me) how the *heat* is in the direct rays of the sun these days, rather than the ambient heat of the day - and late in the afternoon too, when before it would be cooling off a bit with a sea-breeze. We hardly get a sea breeze any more in the middle of the day like we used to.

Late seasons, high clouds, and heat direct from the sun in the late afternoon that really fries you. The three of them seem to go together. Last year and before, the fruit on the trees and the tomatoes on the vine were actually cooking (not this summer so much, but a bit). Would CO2 affect the refractive index of the air to let more 'cooking-rays" through (whichever way it is - UV or infra-red).

Just mulling.

I'll have to answer the other one tomorrow (I'm flagging :)))

I'll have to answer the other one tomorrow (I'm flagging :)))

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